militrix said: I can read his posts perfectly fine, if you have nothing to add don't bother the intelligent with your bullshit. Immahnoob said: Then it's not what we're arguing about, this might not even actually be "homosexuality" in the first place. lol you don't even know what we had been arguing about |
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Immahnoob said: RockChan_ said: Then it's not what we're arguing about, this might not even actually be "homosexuality" in the first place.I'm just saying, i do see it as an environmental response as much as anything else, but that is not to trivialize it. Obviously homosexuality is something that goes beyond choice for some people and they may have indeed been 'born into it,' but I wouldn't want to over-simplify the phenomenon by applying that standard to all. That's just what i'm saying though, that even for a true gay guy, environment played a part. I definitely see it that way. But after all, we are all products of social conditioning to some degree...that's fairly unavoidable. |
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Immahnoob said: militrix said: I don't understand why people don't directly attack how your conclusion doesn't follow from your premises...it certainly wasn't smaller than it is now, seeing as they even had glorified homosexual relationships in their religious mythology so their homosexuality was less encouraged than ours is currently? and all that gay art they had and testimonials about homosexual pederasty were not things? k |
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| I have to disagree, based on the studies I've already posted. Social environment has been singled out of it. EDIT: it does, and it's widely accepted that homosexuality and pederasty were big in greece and it decreased when it became forbidden, it's a social construct So please... |
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Immahnoob said: militrix said: I can read his posts perfectly fine, if you have nothing to add don't bother the intelligent with your bullshit. lol you don't even know what we had been arguing about sorry i should have posted a crappy mockery picture like you did, my bad |
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MiniSiets said: It's likely that homosexuality is not a choice but is also not something that is automatically predetermined at birth; rather it is a product of genetic predispositions and environmental experience working in tandem over time with the developing brain. Either way I think it's irrelevant as to how homosexuality should be evaluated from a moral standpoint, so debates like this are really stupid, and amount to nothing more than one giant naturalistic fallacy on both sides. THANK YOU. Someone who gets it. Amazing how we all say it's either just a choice or something you're born with. SOME people might be "born" gay, but that's only if they know it from anecdotal experience at an early age. |
Immahnoob said: I have to disagree, based on the studies I've already posted. Social environment has been singled out of it. the ones you haven't read and that can be summarized in "possibly x things gives an increased chance of homosexuality" k |
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militrix said: Prove that I haven't read it.Immahnoob said: I have to disagree, based on the studies I've already posted. Social environment has been singled out of it. the ones you haven't read and that can be summarized in "possibly x things gives an increased chance of homosexuality" k Also, don't be willfully ignorant, m8. Your argument still won't stand, no matter how much you push it. |
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Immahnoob said: militrix said: Prove that I haven't read it.the ones you haven't read and that can be summarized in "possibly x things gives an increased chance of homosexuality" k Also, don't be willfully ignorant, m8. Your argument still won't stand, no matter how much you push it. i could quote the post about you "just finding the whole thing" even though you had been calling people ignorant for about 7 pages before that but you would reject it for being anectdotical evidence, k |
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militrix said: Immahnoob said: Prove that I haven't read it. Also, don't be willfully ignorant, m8. Your argument still won't stand, no matter how much you push it. i could quote the post about you "just finding the whole thing" even though you had been calling people ignorant for about 7 pages before that but you would reject it for being anectdotical evidence, k Immahnoob said: Because there are only two studies on homosexuality, because if I found it that means I never found it before, because knowing this information can't be possible without reading the full article and/or reading the article at all, because I can't prove you to be ignorant anyway. |
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militrix said: The study concludes that there are brain differences compared to genital development during pregnancy, because genitals develop much earlier. In fact, since the study is about hormones during pregnancy, the assertion of "gay genes" is wholly irrelevant. They would be irrelevant regardless, since the study observes certain factual outcomes. Similarly, fire burning your hands is not somehow "hasn't been cleared out" just because you personally don't understand how fire works. The outcome is evident, and empirical observation is fact. There is no sense in even holding out for a metaphysical, religious, hocus-pocus, new age, spiritual truth that's the supposed last word on the subject -- when a car heads toward you, you get the hell out of the way, you don't wonder how the impact might tear your skin and say it "hasn't been cleared out".katsucats said: yeah, i actually read the sexual orientation section, it can be summarized with "x things might give an increased chance for a mother to have homosexual decendency"Because it was written by Dick F. Swaab, the Lead Researcher of Neuropsychiatric Disorders from the Netherlands Institute of Neuroscience and the Director of the Netherlands Institute for Brain Research up until 2005. And published in one of the leading publications on Pediatric Neuroendocrinology by biomedical heavyweight Karger, and edited by Sandro Loche, himself responsible for hundreds of publications to peer reviewed journals. While none of this is absolute proof of validity, it does provide credibility, and mountains of it, something with criteria you might one day learn to gather if you're ever made to write an annotated bibliography once you graduate from an 9th grade level of thinking. There is something in the world as scientific experiments conducted with controls for extraneous factors on a relevant sample size. This is a lot more stringent than observing something in media and speculating reasons, calling it "proof" with no evidence besides random anecdotes that you chose to pay attention to. All because you're too lazy to actually figure out facts and relations, yet for some reason you want validation on your unsupported verbiage. guess there's the reason this whole thing hasn't been cleared out, and i'm not even going to pretend i understand the part about chromosomic transmition, which isn't even relevant until they actually locate those gay genes so as of now, still unclear but be honest, you probably don't understand most of it unless you're a biologist, so i don't see what the part about mebeing "dumb enough to figure out fact(lol tell me when you have something conclusive)" is militrix said: Yes, we are talking about people who are attracted to their same biological sex, and the study shows how gender identity differs from biological sex during pregnancy. It's simple logic operators:katsucats said: except we are talking about what makes you be attracted to people of your same sex, as in homosexuality, if a person's brain is programmed to be female, liking males would be the expected heterosexual behaviour for their brain, so it pretty much has nothing to do with the factors that would make a person be homosexualGender identity regardless of biological sex directly influences sexual orientation, which is the sexual attraction between biological sexes. If a male identifies as a female, such that he is attracted to other males, then that makes him homosexual. These works show that at least non-social factors contribute prominently to homosexuality. Do you even think about what you say, or you thought that the occurrence of words substitute actual meaning? Bio-male, male gender attracted to bio-female, female gender = "normal" heterosexuality Bio-male, female gender attracted to bio-male, male gender = ??? Can you possibly figure it out? |
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Immahnoob said: Immahnoob said: Because there are only two studies on homosexuality, because if I found it that means I never found it before, because knowing this information can't be possible without reading the full article and/or reading the article at all, because I can't prove you to be ignorant anyway. you missed the "because i'm a lying hypocrite that for some reason choosed to post the ones i've never read over the ones that i supposedy did read" |
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militrix said: Immahnoob said: you missed the "because i'm a lying hypocrite that for some reason choosed to post the ones i've never read over the ones that i supposedy did read" Immahnoob said: You can't read for shit, m8. Immahnoob said: Prove that I haven't read it. |
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Black_Luma said: RockChan_ said: that's a generalization, there are several people on MAL who have never done that! Not a generalization when someone has an avatar of it. Like some people in this thread. You reap what you sew. Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but are you talking about people with loli pictures? |
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Kagami_Hiiragi said: Shinobu is like so old, she be a grandma.Black_Luma said: Not a generalization when someone has an avatar of it. Like some people in this thread. You reap what you sew. Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but are you talking about people with loli pictures? A dead skeletonic grandma. |
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militrix said: Rejecting well-supported evidence in favor of some vague personal experience that lacks any kind of insight of the relevant factors, and then attempting to justify them by desperately grasping at straws with these irrelevant comparisons, makes a person dimwitted. And probably a religious fundamentalist (guessing, since it would all make sense). If sexual orientation was completely subjective (hint: nothing is), then it wouldn't even be partially predictable -- and it is. So already, reality differs from your ignorant, dim-witted preconceptions.katsucats said: i can tell you i didn't like guys until i gave it a try and sucked a couple cocks, then i realized i didn't genuinely like girls, at least not yet by then, it's a matter of trying and keeping an open mindAll babies are born asexual until some time before puberty, but that doesn't mean there aren't factors making it more probably for them to reach a certain destination. In fact, there is a preponderance of evidence of genes that increase the probability of homosexuality, and hormonal birth defects that cause homosexuality. Babies are shown to be attracted toward certain toys before any kind of socialization, which predicts their gender. The fact that you think you've somehow retained memory of your sexuality the moment you were born, and your imaginary "gay friend", is insignificant to the wealth of knowledge we have about this world -- not your truth or my truth, but THE truth. A person may reject facets of the world that occur, such that these properties are no longer relevant in his mind. This does not alter THE truth. When your perception of reality is inconsistent with independent evidence, you don't have a version of the truth, you have a version of being wrong. The insistence of wrongness as truth reveals ignorance. We can prove this with an experiment. Reject gravity as your "truth" right now and then jump off a cliff and see if you can fly. If reality is dependent on your beliefs, then you may live long enough to preach to us the wonders of your power. comparing a physical phenomena to a subjective thing as your tastes (which do have individual truths, unlike gravity) just makes you look like a clueless dimwit, but if you think you can find the gene for liking strawberry ice cream then i don't know what else to say to you |
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katsucats said: The study concludes that there are brain differences compared to genital development during pregnancy, because genitals develop much earlier. In fact, since the study is about hormones during pregnancy, the assertion of "gay genes" is wholly irrelevant. They would be irrelevant regardless, since the study observes certain factual outcomes. Similarly, fire burning your hands is not somehow "hasn't been cleared out" just because you personally don't understand how fire works. The outcome is evident, and empirical observation is fact. There is no sense in even holding out for a metaphysical, religious, hocus-pocus, new age, spiritual truth that's the supposed last word on the subject -- when a car heads toward you, you get the hell out of the way, you don't wonder how the impact might tear your skin and say it "hasn't been cleared out". yeah and brain differences with genital development = gender dysphoria, not homosexuality but tell that to all the people who identify themselves as "straight females trapped in the body of a male, therefore liking guys doesn't make me homosexual" and the variations of "lesbian females trapped in the body of a male" i might not know how fire works (althought i do), that doesn't mean you can sell me that fat people are more likely to be ignited spontaneously katsucats said: Yes, we are talking about people who are attracted to their same biological sex, and the study shows how gender identity differs from biological sex during pregnancy. It's simple logic operators: Bio-male, male gender attracted to bio-female, female gender = "normal" heterosexuality Bio-male, female gender attracted to bio-male, male gender = ??? Can you possibly figure it out? if their brain of a male is actually programmed to be female thanks to the presence of hormones (as the study says that happens), that would make their brain biologically female, then why would you call it homosexuality when it searches for the "opposite" sex? |
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Immahnoob said: Kagami_Hiiragi said: Shinobu is like so old, she be a grandma.Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but are you talking about people with loli pictures? A dead skeletonic grandma. The point I'm making is if he's talking about people with loli pictures then that's assuming people jack off to anything the profile picture they use is about. I'm not saying he is, but if he did mean that then I don't really understand where he's getting at. |
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traed said: Define "subjective". Something is subjective if it is a product of the mind, but subjectivity does not imply that is not physically regulated. To say that something is "subjective", therefore nothing can be claimed of it, is the biggest religious cop out.To what katsukats said yeah sexuality gets pretty subjective when you throw in something as subjective as gender identity. |
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Kagami_Hiiragi said: But he is saying that, most likely at least, considering his other comments.Immahnoob said: Shinobu is like so old, she be a grandma. A dead skeletonic grandma. The point I'm making is if he's talking about people with loli pictures then that's assuming people jack off to anything the profile picture they use is about. I'm not saying he is, but if he did mean that then I don't really understand where he's getting at. And don't mind what I said, I'm not in the mood to start it here anymore. |
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katsucats said: Rejecting well-supported evidence in favor of some vague personal experience that lacks any kind of insight of the relevant factors, and then attempting to justify them by desperately grasping at straws with these irrelevant comparisons, makes a person dimwitted. And probably a religious fundamentalist (guessing, since it would all make sense). If sexual orientation was completely subjective (hint: nothing is), then it wouldn't even be partially predictable -- and it is. So already, reality differs from your ignorant, dim-witted preconceptions. not all that well supported as you can see since more of those studies focus on gender dysphoryia, not homosexuality, and it's not a vague personal experience, it was a pretty important thing for me lol and hit: when it comes to the mind tastes and preferences, everything is in big part subjective |
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katsucats said: traed said: Define "subjective". Something is subjective if it is a product of the mind, but subjectivity does not imply that is not physically regulated. To say that something is "subjective", therefore nothing can be claimed of it, is the biggest religious cop out.To what katsukats said yeah sexuality gets pretty subjective when you throw in something as subjective as gender identity. strawberries are tasty males are hot there's subjectiveness |
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Immahnoob said: Without sources, Militrix, you're just being deluded. This does prove a lot though: militrix said: it was a pretty important thing for me lol are you saying it wasn't important for me? |
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Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
katsucats said: I mean people might argue whether sexuality is defined more by sex or by gender or just appearances.traed said: Define "subjective". Something is subjective if it is a product of the mind, but subjectivity does not imply that is not physically regulated. To say that something is "subjective", therefore nothing can be claimed of it, is the biggest religious cop out.To what katsukats said yeah sexuality gets pretty subjective when you throw in something as subjective as gender identity. |
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Immahnoob said: I'm saying you're incredibly biased. why, what benefit would it give me if my bisexuality proved to be a matter of developed preference? if anything it would be harmful to me as it would make me look like an unjustified faggot who became gay for being with guys too much i'm just telling how it happened for me, if i were biased i'd just say that i was born a fairy and it's not my fault |
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| Why are you going against factual sources with mere opinion then? Oh, because you remember that that's how it happened to you? Guess what, you're still wrong. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| your facts are made out of "probably and the chances are" and are as reliable as my memory i must say, specially since i'm not even saying that it's how happens for everybody, just how it happened for me we're not even talking about me being 5 years old or anything, i was already a teenager lol had i not been open minded enough by then, i'd not feel attracted to males now, since i wouldn't have developed a liking for it in the first place |
militrixFeb 18, 2015 6:21 PM
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| Assuming everyone is the same as ones self is assuming too much. People cant be generalized with one example as a basis. |
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traed said: Assuming everyone is the same as ones self is assuming too much. People cant be generalized with one example as a basis. but i'm not? how many times have i said "idk about anybody else but that's how it happened for me" i have a friend who went exactly through the same and thinks the same, i've known many people like that too, they all agree in that even if you're not naturally inclined towards liking males you can get a liking for them if you're in that age, you just need to be openminded, and you might find that you like it even if you were not attracted to it at frst |
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| Okay then, just saying since it sounded like it sometimes how you say things. I havent payed attention to your bickering between eachother. |
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| Lesbian here. Born that way. Can't be changed. Nothing wrong with me. |
| Look, the world won't conquer itself, ok? |
TheRealNico said: Ptetty sure nothing will make them chill out from their persecution complex.Who gives a shit what people are born? Black_Luma: You're making a fool out of yourself, again. I don't know what to quote, but holy shit, calm the fuck down. |
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CodenameRadical said: Lesbian here. Born that way. Can't be changed. Nothing wrong with me. You are deceived. |
NebulaC3I said: CodenameRadical said: Lesbian here. Born that way. Can't be changed. Nothing wrong with me. You are deceived. You can think whatever you like. The beauty of facts is ... they don't change even if you don't like them. ;) |
| Look, the world won't conquer itself, ok? |
traed said: Okay then, just saying since it sounded like it sometimes how you say things. I havent payed attention to your bickering between eachother. well no |
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| Of course people willingly choose to be a part of a marginalized group and risk alienation from their families |
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| Do you think people are born heterosexual? |
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| Well the real problem is, they haven't even tried to not be hetero. Guys, sleep with another guy. Try it. Girls, sleep with a girl. Give it a try. I mean maybe you were born that way [hetero], but how do you know until you try? ...and if you think that sounds silly ...... |
| Look, the world won't conquer itself, ok? |
| As I write this, a transgender child in Georgia has committed suicide, and a transgender woman in Miami has been murdered. Found out about both literally between the last post I made and this one. And here we are trying to define whether it's a choice or not, so we can feel good about hating on them. ...And if that's not the reason, then who cares at all what the deal is? |
| Look, the world won't conquer itself, ok? |
militrix said: No, they aren't.and are as reliable as my memory i must say |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
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